与雷神科技的凯特·麦克斯韦共同培育创新文化

“我们的重点从来不是技术。它总是和人有关，因为他们是创新故事的核心。——kate Maxwell，雷神技术公司技术总监和创新负责人

为什么故事对创新过程很重要?哪些价值观可以灌输给分享故事的创新者?创新领袖如何激励创造者讲述和分享他们的成功和失败的故事?

为什么故事对创新过程很重要?哪些价值观可以灌输给分享故事的创新者?创新领袖如何激励创造者讲述和分享他们的成功和失败的故事?我们采访了技术领袖，凯特麦克韦尔，担任技术总监和创新负责人雷神公司技术。我们的谈话解开了在行业中开放创新大门的方法。从供应链到金融，每个团队都能够创新，讲故事是将这些想法带到生活中的关键。

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凯蒂：欢迎来到创新的不陈述故事，在那里我们扩大了洞察力，影响和创新的解开故事。由无国界的内容提供支持雷竞技电竞竞猜，我是您的主人，Katie Trauth Taylor。我们今天的客人是凯特麦斯威尔。她是雷神智力和空间的技术总监和创新领导者。她是一个令人难以置信的创新领导者，她的背景中的工程师，她是一位成功的技术领导者。凯特，我今天非常感谢你在播客上。

凯特:凯蒂，谢谢你让我。我喜欢你已经进入世界的内容。我很高兴能在这里。谢谢你。

凯蒂：肯定。所以我想从你们的工程背景开始，因为作为一个技术和科学作家，我最喜欢的事情之一就是和工程师合作。我喜欢工程师的思维方式。在我看来，我认为把作家和工程师配对是宇宙中最神奇的事情之一。请多告诉我一点你作为工程师的背景，现在是雷神公司的工程师领导。

凯特:确定。我的职业是计算机科学家。我想我对计算机的兴趣开始于我还是个孩子的时候。我是80年代的孩子，早年我父母带了一辆Commodore 64回家——我知道我在和自己约会。但在家里，你知道，很多孩子可能不被鼓励去修修补补，尝试尝试，弄坏东西，尤其是涉及到可能有些昂贵的技术。我父母总是采取，你知道吗?去吧，去享受吧。尝试新事物。如果你把它弄坏了，也没什么大不了的。我们会一起解决的。 And I think that that instilled in me not only this love of computing, but kind of this fail forward mentality where I wasn’t afraid to try new things. And so —

凯蒂：我喜欢那样的，这是如此挑战 - 我现在是父母。我觉得你也是父母。我们以前联系过。这是一个挑战，作为父母让你的孩子们弄乱，让他们犯错误。但我喜欢你的父母在你身上灌输。他们说，你知道什么，混乱不是问题。这是一种学习和成长的方式。挺酷的。

凯特:绝对地。而且我是一个人格。所以这么混乱的事情也很难。我家里有两个小男孩。我们每天都在争吵。但 -

凯蒂：特别是现在。你知道，因为我们都在家工作。

凯特:天啊。是的。但我认为重要的是真的关于这个过程和努力。正确的。你每次都不要这样做。我只是，我希望我的孩子试试。所以我和那种心态一起长大，它在我的职业生涯中给了我。我将计算机科学作为本科。我来雷神不可龙不知道它是一个工程师或在航空航天和防御中的工作。但我有惊人的导师和冠军，谁在路上帮助了我。 And, you know, especially as I started to get into the research and development world, maybe halfway through my career — I’m in 16 years now, so, you know, six, seven, eight years into my career — I started working with research and development. And I was surrounded by people who absolutely bought into that fail forward mentality. And they encouraged me to try new things and to bring forward big ideas even when they seemed crazy. And I’m a big believer that creativity is contagious. So it’s just been amazing to work in that environment surrounded by other people that are just big thinkers.

凯蒂：你知道，在你的时间在雷神，你已经做了令人印象深刻的事情。您将创新倡议从真正的一个小实验中延长到全球规模的努力。批准后才获得批准，继续让它成长。你能告诉我们更多关于这一倡议的信息，它看起来像什么，以及那个过程就像被买入并观察那样？

凯特:是的，绝对。所以这真的是我最喜欢的我职业生涯。我们称之为 -

凯蒂：迄今为止。

凯特:迄今为止。但是还有很多东西要来。是的。因此，当我在研发中工作时，我是我们业务之一的研发投资组合的流程和执行。这是什么意思，我基本上是研发主任的右手女性。你知道，我监督我们的项目预算。我的工作是打破存在的研究障碍，无论是供应链还是流程，或者它可能是什么。我在那里有助于确保主要调查人员在他们的研究中取得成功。因此，就像我这样做，我正在学习有效的工作，以及如何涉及研究和开发环境，以及一个有利于创新的环境。所以我们观察到的是，你知道，我们是一家大公司。 The business I was serving had about sixteen thousand people in it. But it seemed like it was the same handful of folks that brought forward ideas for new R&D projects every year. And so we thought, you know, surely in a business of this size, with this many brilliant people — across all functions, not just engineering — there must be other ideas out there. How do we capture those and help people advance them and accelerate them inside of the corporate environment? So we took this idea and we put together kind of a business case or a pitch that we shared internally. And we were looking for like ten thousand dollars to start, just to stand up this virtual organization to help accelerate and inspire and empower innovation. So we got our 10 grand. We started hosting innovation challenges and pitch events and sharing this message of innovation with our people inside the company. And it just caught fire. I mean, truly, I think that it resonated with our workforce in a way that even we didn’t anticipate. So we grew this organization into a multimillion dollar global innovation engine that served not just our business, but really the enterprise. And we hosted international innovation roadshows to share stories and inspire people to innovate, you know, at our landed companies around the globe. It was just amazing. And the organization continues to this day. I’ve transitioned it onto one of my mentees who now leads it. And it’s just been a fabulous experience. And I’ve been so gratified to see how many amazing stories of innovation have come out of it.

凯蒂：And the incredible thing is — and I want to definitely drill down a little more into the messaging and what worked, what was sticky, especially in the beginning — but what’s incredible to me about that is, whatever that messaging was, it transformed the culture. It made individuals who maybe hadn’t been part of the innovation roadmap in the past, it helped them to see themselves as being part of that or having the potential to be part of that. And that’s what I think is so incredible about internal innovation challenges and the storytelling and the messaging that’s so critical to getting that off the ground. And part of it — it sounds to me — is really about transforming how people see themselves so that everyone in an enterprise can say, yes, you know what, my ideas are valued and valuable and I have a medium by which to share them. And innovation is not just something that is siphoned off to the upper echelon or the few inside the company.

凯特:是的，你完全正确。我认为这是 - 我们的大焦点从一开始就是人们，而是在究竟是你所说的，制定创新，使研究和开发能够对公司内部的每个人都能获得。你知道，我常常常见，我认为大公司机构依靠他们的技术组织及其工程人们提出下一个大想法。但好的想法来自各地。所以这是我们从一开始就真正推动的东西。我们不得不弄清楚如何让障碍进入创新真的很低。正确的。您知道，您只需要一个越来越多的白皮书，而不是需要多页的白皮书，这些白皮书陷入了如何实现某种东西的技术杂草，我们只需要一个Penta图表。并告诉我们你的想法是什么。告诉我们它将如何产生差异。 Put together a super high level business case for why the business should care about this and try and quantify or articulate the impacts if you can. But you don’t have to be a deep subject matter expert to put those things on paper. And so by encouraging that rather than, you know, that multi-page white paper, like I said, we saw ideas come in from all functions inside of the company. And some amazing ideas were implemented by folks maybe in, you know, supply chain or contracts or finance, who didn’t necessarily have the technical know-how to go make it a reality. But they had this idea that had business value and could make a difference for our customers. So our job really was to inspire and empower people to innovate no matter where they were in the business. And I think that’s ultimately what made us successful.

凯蒂：最后，最终改变了研发和工程师的人们的心态，你知道，我的工作不仅仅是这里是最好的主意发生器 - 和执行者。我的工作现在是一个强大的合作者。

凯特:哦，绝对是。我认同。我认为，你知道，这是文化变革还是文化转变。在许多技术组织中，您的工程组织有点持有所有权力或所有重量或所有克劳堡，以便说话。但我们知道，以多种功能集成的产品为导向的团队，这就是你真正获得思想的多样性。所以我们汇集了很多IPTS，或综合产品团队，您将在产品周围定位，但您从各地都占据了这些想法。我认为，人们肯定通过这个过程更多地了解他们的同事。正确的。突然间，您开始分解在高批量组织内部存在的那些功能的稳芯。但我们也看到了这些产品团队的更好的想法和更好的结果。 So that was absolutely key to our success.

凯蒂：我爱。好的。所以我承诺我要深入研究这些信息，以及是什么让它具有吸引力。是什么促使他们在早期买入?也许，你的信息和命名方式以及你号召人们采取行动的方式，当你扩大这个项目的规模时，这些都发生了怎样的变化?

凯特:是的，所以我想 - 我有一支小组的人，我正在早日在这个过程中工作，他们很神奇，他们应该得到所有的信誉，让这件事成为现实。但他们可能厌倦了我说，伙计们，我们的第一份工作在这里是为了保持这件事。你知道，一旦我们在这个创新组织上获得领导，我们就有资金加速并孵化了新的想法，我们有一个沟通预算和运营，并使这件事运行，我们不得不保留它销售。你知道，我们不能在这个开始时沟通一次，然后安静并专注于这些项目。我们不得不不断分享成功案例。然后也是失败的故事。你知道，我是一个大的信徒，如果你打算在企业环境里面创造那种文化，你为人们创造了风险和失败的空间，你也必须分享失败的故事。所以我们实际在雷神技术内部工作的事情之一正在播放播客，我们呼叫脸上的棕榈星期五，在那里我们分享了一些没有那么好的东西。无论是研究和开发项目还是转型倡议，也可能是一个主要计划。但那么关键是，你从中学到了什么？ Right.

凯蒂：是的。

凯特:我们该如何吸取经验教训，回头改进或做得更好呢?或者在某些情况下，你知道，可能走出口坡道，因为有些事情不是很顺利。但关键是要尽早、频繁地以各种不同的方式传达这些信息，因为你的受众希望以不同的方式接收他们的内容。因此，在整个创新之旅中，我们一直与通信团队保持密切联系。我在公司里的一些最好的朋友是沟通者，因为他们掌握着保持产品销售的关键和魔法。所以这一直是我们战略的主要部分。我将继续用“伙计们，我们必须保持销售”的心态来惹恼我的团队。但这非常重要。

凯蒂：是的。所以这对我的心来说很重要。在过去的几个月里，我一直在使用跨学科研究团队来研究辉煌的失败。所以是什么失败了史诗般的灾难性失败，是什么让它在创新过程中真正聪明的失败。究竟你所说的是什么，这是一个朝向学习的失败。这实际上是最大限度地减少了由于该失败而投入失败或损失的成本，并尽可能地最大化学习。所以我爱脸上的棕榈星期五。我认为这很棒。这是我听说过的最好的失败叙事倡议之一。所以感谢您与我们分享。

凯特:是的。谢谢你。我们对此感到兴奋。现在，挑战是让人们愿意分享故事。正确的。所以我们会在那个方面工作。我认为可能会有T恤，也许有些品牌赃物参与说服人们。

凯蒂：但是，你知道，听起来比你知道的更好，“周五告诉我们你的失败。”

凯特:正确的。我们必须让它有点好玩。

凯蒂：是的,没错。你们用了哪些讲故事的方法呢?你发的是邮件吗?你做视频了吗?你创作了什么类型的故事，尤其是在早期?那么它是如何变化的呢?

凯特:是的。所以我们就像我说，我们使用了许多不同的Comms机制来获得故事。所以我们有一个内部内部网 - 非常像大多数大公司环境，你知道，实体。因此，我们经常在那里分享故事，我们常客挑战我们想要遍布群体的想法 - 因为我是一个信徒，你不能在真空中创新。但如果你给人们一个问题或客户痛点，他们突然他们可以开始思考，我们可以解决哪些方法？因此，我们分享了这些故事 - 客户挑战，创新，挑战主题。我们分享了成功的故事 - 关于这些挑战导致的思想和创新 - 也是由于我们的创新者因承担这些风险而导致的职业生长而导致的职业生涯增长。我们有一些人因为参与创新而在兴奋地注射兴奋和加速进入他们的职业生涯。所以我们想确保这些故事被听到，因为那么人们可以说，如果他们能够做到，那么他们看到这种好处，好吧，那么我应该考虑参与。所以我们这样做了。 We went on lots of road shows. Like I said, you know, this was pre-COVID environment, so we could still travel. So I was jumping on planes frequently, giving presentations, trying to share this message of excitement and passion around innovation and really why this makes a difference in the world and why it makes a difference for people, specifically. Our focus here was never about technology. It was always about people because they’re central to that innovation story. And then also, I would say, I think that when we’re communicating as innovators and technologists, I think we’re used to being in transmit mode, but we need to be in receive mode as well. And I’ve heard a few of your guests from prior podcasts talk about design thinking and the importance of leading with empathy and understanding and asking questions. That is so true. I mean, that’s really how you find that product market fit, right? An idea is just an idea unless you can find that transition path to reality and why it’s needed in the world. So we tried to teach stories of design thinking, getting paired with customers so that you can understand their challenges and pain points, because that’s truly where great ideas come from. By solving those sorts of things. So, yeah, lots of communication. And it was bi-directional. Right. We never wanted it to be a one way story.

凯蒂：我认为你刚才所说的一切，都说明了从多个角度思考创新故事的重要性。所以讲创新故事不仅仅是围绕创新本身或技术本身讲故事。这是一种讲故事的方式，通过故事的力量，通过移情的力量，我将如何阐明客户的痛点或客户需求。这是过程本身，这是创新团队和个人的故事，他们让这一切发生，他们面临的挑战，他们做出的决定是好是坏，以及为什么。最终，当然，在一天结束的时候，我们也想听到关于技术的消息，并且可以庆祝它。但有很多不同的方式来思考故事和交流在整个过程中所扮演的角色。我很喜欢你说的有时候技术专家或科学家，我们可以很有交易性地思考我们的工作。你知道，现在是展示信息的时候了，在我站上去之前，我必须把一切都弄对。但我认为你说的是一种实验的心态，这是每个科学家都知道并喜欢的。但如果你将这种实验思维运用到你想要做的故事叙述中，我认为你会看到更好的结果，对吧?

凯特:是的。

凯蒂：但是你所说的是，作为对话的方法，确保你有时尝试一些创意动作，看看有什么作用和什么不起作用。也许甚至告诉听众，我在这里尝试。这是故事A和这是这里的故事B.在我们的团队最近，我们已经 - 当我们谈论我们现在正在尝试创造的一些创新产品时，我们一直在互相促销两次球场的机会。所以我们会说，好的，我会第一次尝试。好的，倒带。当我推动这个时，我会尝试一下完全不同的方式。并互相允许在开始时锁定并完美地锁定。它有点让我想起了我们的谈话开始，可以让一点点混乱才能成长和学习。

凯特:这是正确的。是的。你描述的是焦点小组模型。你可以向你想要接触的群体或观众测试某些信息。我对此深信不疑。我的职业是工程师，就像我说的，我在设计思考或沟通方面没有很多经验，至少没有正式的经验。但最近，每当我创造一些新东西时，即使是关于业务内部的创新，比如说我们尝试执行的新业务模式或流程。我会采取焦点小组的方法我会采访我的选民，你知道，不管用户是谁。我们将把用户角色放在一起，阐明他们关心的是什么，他们的痛点是什么，他们的职业发展方向是什么。然后，如果你能想出如何在这些用户或利益相关者周围构建创新和你的沟通方法，我认为它会更加强大。 And you’re a heck of a lot more likely to have that message received in the way that you want it to be received. So, yeah, I love the focus group approach.

凯蒂：这是一个很好的建议。我想很多创新团队在考虑他们的客户和他们的客户旅程时可能很熟悉采用这种方法，但他们不一定习惯在内部这样做，让我们围绕销售团队的某些成员或运营或制造团队的某些成员构建一个角色。了解一点如何获得整个组织的支持，我认为这是一个非常强大的方法，你知道，角色映射，角色画布。

凯特:哦，是的，我是个信徒。我甚至会给你们举个例子。所以现在在雷神科技，我们正在经历数字化转型，就像很多公司一样。

凯蒂：是的。

凯特:你知道，我们正试图弄清楚如何将敏捷和DevSecOps嵌入到我们的过程中，这不仅仅是你的开发过程。它正在改变你做生意的方式。所以我认为在过去的几个月里，我们一直在关注如何与我们的领导人沟通并得到领导层的支持。但我们没有做好的是如何将这些信息传达给我们的员工，这些员工的日常生活将会受到这些项目新方法的影响，他们正在开发产品，并将产品卖给我们的客户。所以我们必须重新思考，弄清楚，这些人到底在乎什么?你知道，他们可能不会像我们的商业领袖那样为股东创造价值。但他们来雷神是因为他们相信我们的使命。有些人是战士。他们理解我们的客户每天所经历的痛苦，因为在某些情况下，那就是他们。正确的。 So we reframed this story around digital transformation in a way that resonated with our workforce. Whereas, you know, this is about pushing innovation to the field and to the war fighters in cycles of days and weeks and months instead of decades, like we’re used to in the, you know, the defense and intelligence community. And that resonated because our people saw the value that it was going to create for our customers. And they also saw value in the way that they would be doing their jobs at Raytheon. Right. They wouldn’t be encumbered by some of these unwieldy processes of old. But it created a more agile environment where they can really focus on value added capabilities and the things that they and our customers care about. And as soon as we figured out how to reframe that message in a way that wasn’t just dollars and cents, you could see the light bulbs going off because people were like, I am all in on this, absolutely, yes, we need this. So I think that’s important. You have to consider all of the audiences you’re trying to reach, you know, when you put your communication together.

凯蒂：是的。而且你对理解的重要性不仅仅是对他们来说重要的重要性，而是他们持有的价值，为什么他们每天都出现，以及他们激励他们，并将其调整为此，以便你能够真正拥有诚实的关系来吧。所以这真的很强大。您是否有其他创新故事，以至于您想要分享的Raytheon？

凯特:我们的确是。是的。我真的分享我最近经历过的人。所以我旅行了很多工作，或者至少我做了预先进行了成功。所以我们在华盛顿省，D.C.频繁地发现了自己，因为当然，这就是，你知道，到我们的许多客户和他们的运营中心。所以我是 - 我和客户一起度过了漫长的一天。我在Dysons Corner地区进入了我的酒店的电梯，在D.C.之外，我看到一只钟线转动肩部，就像一个衣服上有一个标签的套子。而且，您知道，作为工程师，我喜欢数据。我看着标签，它说哑光。而且我想，我想知道一般哑物是否在建筑物中？ Probably, we’re right outside D.C. And the next thing you know, who rounds the corner and gets on the elevator with me but General James Mattis, the former Secretary of Defense. And so for me, working in the defense community, I thought, I don’t often get opportunities like this. Do I say something or do I not? So he looked at me and said hello. And I thought, well, he seems friendly, what the heck? And so I took that moment — you know, we only had like 10 stories in this elevator that we were traveling. But I gave my elevator speech actually in an elevator for a change. And I said, General Mattis, sir, it’s an honor and a privilege to meet you. You know, I’ve long admired your leadership style and thank you for your service to this nation and everything that you’ve done for the defense and intelligence community. And he asked my name and what I do. And I said, I’m Kate Maxwell, I’m an engineer with Raytheon Technologies. And he said, Raytheon, I can’t tell you how many times you’ve saved my life and the lives of my people out in the field. Thank you for your service. And that was such a powerful moment for me. And I took it back and shared it with my team because that thank you wasn’t for me. That thank you was for our entire workforce. What we do every day makes a difference. And we were able to send some of our troops home to their families because of the work that we do. So we have to remember that. I think it’s easy to get bogged down in the execution and the day-to-day challenges with working programs and process change and all of these things. But we do what we do because we want to make a difference in the world. And it’s those stories that need to be shared. Right. So that was just one example that was really powerful for me personally. And it kind of reset my thinking and made me remember why I go to work every day. We’ve had lots of great stories recently, too, around COVID. I think Raytheon Technologies, like many other big companies, we have manufacturing lines and resources that can be committed to the fight against COVID. And so we’ve seen many of our plants retool their manufacturing line to help create, you know, PPE to help save and support our frontline workers in the fight against COVID. We’ve retooled our manufacturing lines to produce some things that many hospitals and medical facilities need right now, that there’s a gross shortage of and supply chain issues the world over. And we’ve also seen an innovation challenge around the fight against COVID, where some amazing technologies have come out of it related to contact tracing, how to do thermal scanning at scale, you know, for ports and for airports and for workplaces. And these sorts of things make a difference. And they’re not necessarily core to the defense and intelligence work that we do. But it’s the same mission about making the world safer so that we can all enjoy the freedoms that we all have right now. So those sorts of innovation stories are so powerful and we have to share them because, like I said, we need to remember why we go to work every day and tie it to that mission and a greater purpose.

凯蒂：我听到你分享关于一般Mattis的第一个故事的寒意。感谢您的分享。以及了解您所做的工作的重力是多么精彩的荣誉和时刻。然后我认为责任也是在一个组织层面建立在这种社会使命上，我们全部专注于现在的帮助是如此强大。而且，你知道，我认为像雷神一样的组织已经站起来说，我们不仅仅是为了像往常一样继续进行运营。我们必须考虑我们的角色以及我们如何利用我们的资源在这一次帮助他人。我想到这一领导力以及领导决定是多么有危险和有效程度。而且我也想到了 - 你知道，每个人都在雷神，这是一个简单的解决方案，嘿，让我们在一起的共同目的在一起，让我们不要让那一刻通过我们。You know, I think when you lean into your employees’ passions and to their, you know, the problems that we’re all facing together as a society, that that’s going to propel more energy for every other business-focused initiative you also have because they’re showing up to work with an even greater purpose. You know, I just — I find that to be very powerful. It reminds me of some of the social mission work that our team has been leaning into at Untold. And the way that I’ve seen us, you know, staking a claim in what we believe about racial injustice, for instance. It’s just energized my employees and our teams to give more passion to every project, not just the ones where we’re tackling issues of race. And so that sort of ability to really think about the mission and what motivates people and pull on it so that — I don’t think that business is lost to those moments. I think it can motivate and bring more productivity to every area that actually results in immediate or direct business growth, too.

凯特:我完全同意。就像你说的，这是一种强大的动力。你知道，现在有很多人都在挣扎着逃离倦怠的边缘。正确的。我们在努力，我们在竭尽全力。我们要照顾好我们的家人，我们的朋友和我们的工作。我们在家工作，我们试图，你知道，支持我们的孩子在网上学习。它是所有这些东西。这真是太多了。它是沉重的。 It’s a heavy burden to carry. But if you remember what your purpose is as a human and why you do what you do every day, you know, it keeps you going. It keeps you moving forward. And I think that companies have an obligation to make sure that they continue communicating their values and their mission and get their people engaged in that. That’s how I combat burnout. You know, if I’m still excited about what I do every single day, at some point, it almost doesn’t even feel like work. So that kind of protects my mental state during tough times like this. And we owe that to our employees to give them something that they care about and make them understand that they are a huge part of that mission.

凯蒂：是的,当然。你知道，在我们总结的时候，你能分享一些其他的建议给创新者吗，或者是我们希望自己成为创新者的普通员工分享他们的想法并在创新过程中发挥作用?

凯特:绝对，是的。所以我经常与工程师和技术人员交谈，你知道，如果你带来了一个想法，你怎么真正以卖给别人的方式沟通并获得买入的方式？我认为有时工程师或高度技术人员争取外行人的术语。正确的。所以我会挑战人，如果你是创新者或那些可能斗争的技术专家，就可以理解的是努力。找到一个伟大的沟通者和与他们的合作伙伴，或者，您知道，将它们作为导师利用，因为他们真的可以帮助您的想法闪耀并获得买入。So it’s just like what we talked about earlier, you know, don’t intentionally stovepipe yourself off from the rest of the world, but create these diverse, integrated teams that have that diversity of thought where you’re using the skills of so many other people to augment yours and your ideas. And I would also say, you know, to those people, don’t hide your passion. Whatever lights you up inside, all that enthusiasm and excitement you have around your idea or around the work that you do, share that with the world. Because that’s what gets more people excited. I think as a STEM professional right now, especially as a woman in STEM, it’s my job to share my excitement about my career path and my career field with the next generation. We have a STEM shortage in this country, which, coming from the defense industry, that creates a national security challenge. Right. We will not have enough STEM professionals in the next generation that can get security clearances unless we act right now. So it is my job as a STEM professional to communicate to the next generation how they can make a difference in the world through a career in engineering or technology or math or science. And we need to communicate that broadly. So to the other STEM professionals out there, you know, get involved in sharing that story, share what inspires you every day. And Katie, to you and your team, thank you for sharing these stories and amplifying stories of innovation across a number of different industries and domains. It makes such a huge difference. And I’m so excited by this messaging.

凯蒂：你知道，我想搭载你的电话，世界的作家，世界的沟通者，不要害羞的科学，技术，工程和数学科目。与工程师合作。与科学家合作。与临床医生合作。和惊人的结果会发生。我用这种信念形成了这家公司，而且我刚刚看着魔法发生。我想，你知道，显然我有一个英国文学背景，我也有很多爱文学的朋友。但是，我们可以使用这么多的方式，我们可以利用我们在研究文学的那些日子里了解的那些激情和同理心建筑，以将其应用于今天世界的任务，包括提升和帮助人们了解科学和技术，或帮助激励人们加入那些字段。所以有很多工作要做。 Kate, this has been such a wonderful conversation. Thank you for sharing these stories and sharing your experiences with all of our listeners. I appreciate you.

凯特:哦，谢谢你让我。这是如此有趣。谢谢，凯蒂。

凯蒂：绝对地。人们在哪里可以找到你，凯特，在社交媒体上？

凯特:在领英上找我，雷神科技的凯特·麦克斯韦尔。我很乐意在那里继续我们的对话。我只是再次感谢，你为这个世界所做的一切。我喜欢围绕这个话题的能量和激情。我还得说，我也是辅修英国文学的，所以，没错，英国文学。

凯蒂：哦，我不知道。那好极了。哦，你是一个罕见的品种。计算机科学与英语文学。太棒了。

凯特:是的。你知道有什么好笑吗？我在学校的顾问是谁，为什么在世界上你会用它作为你的未成年人？但我告诉你，沟通可能是我最大的鉴别者，甚至超过技术。

凯蒂：是的。

凯特:所以这是一个很大的事。所以现在我们需要让更多的人带到那个英语的主要或未成年人。它很重要。

凯蒂：是的,当然。是的。我想，你知道，我们倾向于在大学里思考这些线条在主题之间非常分裂，你必须走下左脑或右脑道。但人们是整体和创造性和多方面。所以让我们拥抱那个并模糊线条。

凯特:阿们。为设计思维和多样化的团队欢呼。

凯蒂：这是正确的。谢谢你,凯特。下次再聊。

凯特:谢谢，凯蒂。小心。

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